May 2, 2022

Peloton Star Tunde Oyeneyin on Finding Possibility in Uncertainty

Building a brand and vaulting your career forward

Nora and Scott take a ride with Peloton star and Nike athlete Tunde Oyeneyin, who instructs up to 20,000 riders through her motivational and community oriented classes. She reveals how she grew her team following, built a brand and talks about her new book called Speak: Find Your Voice, Trust Your Gut, and Get from Where You Are to Where You Want to Be.


Hosts: Nora Ali & Scott Rogowsky

Producer: Bella Hutchins 

Production, Mixing & Sound Design: Daniel Markus

Music: Daniel Markus & Breakmaster Cylinder

Senior Producer: Katherine Milsop

VP, Head of Multimedia: Sarah Singer


Full transcript for this episode available below. 


Tunde Oyeneyin: I'm in this space right now where every single thing that I've asked for has arrived like the blue light. It's here, baby, it's happening. The book: It's happening. First ever trainer to be signed as a Nike Athlete: I asked for that. One of the faces of Revlon: I asked for that. Every single thing is happening right now. There are times where I wake up and I feel the anxiety and the pressure of the day because of all of the tasks, but I asked for it. And then there are the days that I slap myself and say, "Tunde, everything that you asked for is here."

Nora Ali: From Morning Brew, this is Business Casual, the podcast that reveals the unexpected business story behind everything. I'm Nora Ali.

Scott Rogowsky: And I'm Scott Rogowsky. Nora and I are here for your ears, bringing you conversations with creators, thinkers, and innovators who can tell us what it all means and why we should care. Now let's get down to business.

Nora Ali: Okay, Scott. We're talking Peloton today. I hear you've never been on a Peloton before.

Scott Rogowsky: No, but I own millions of dollars in stock and I bought it right at its peak so I'm really excited for this conversation. JK, JK.

Nora Ali: Buy high, sell low. That's Scott's strategy.

Scott Rogowsky: I buy high, sell low. It's been a crazy couple of years for Peloton as a company.

Nora Ali: It definitely has. It was a pandemic darling and the beginning of this year, they've had meaningful layoffs, activists have pushed to sell it.

Scott Rogowsky: New CEO.

Nora Ali: New CEO, the shareholder letter.

Scott Rogowsky: Sex and the City.

Nora Ali: Mr. Big, I had already forgotten about that controversy. But at the time of the layoffs, the shareholder letter had noted, importantly, "Our operational restructuring will not negatively impact our instructor roster and number of classes and range of class modalities." So that is their bread and butter and what they're investing the most in is their celebrity... their instructors there. They are celebrities, basically. They have these followings, they have these brands. Cody Rigsby was on Dancing with the Stars, and they are the best part of Peloton. Period.

Scott Rogowsky: Yeah. See, I'm not familiar with this whole ecosystem of talent coming out of Peloton because I haven't used it. But yeah it's, in reading about our guest today, her story, her rise to fame as a Peloton instructor, it did, honestly, it got me think about HQ a little bit. How you're given a platform to show what you can do and people respond to it and people tell their friends about it and word of mouth spreads and they become these celebrated figures for what they're able to do. Seems like she's already taken her brand, she's got the book deal, she's got the podcast. She's finding ways to branch out beyond the platform itself, because if Peloton tanks, you don't want to be tied to that platform, the way HQ tanked. And I didn't get that book deal so I'm glad that she's-

Nora Ali: But here you are.

Scott Rogowsky: Here I am. But I'm glad she's taking care of herself.

Nora Ali: Definitely. It was a fantastic conversation. And for more context, Tunde Oyeneyin is a Peloton instructor and Nike Athlete and is, in fact, one of the most popular instructors on the platform, training up to 20,000 live riders through her motivational and community-oriented classes. Tunde grew her following, Team Tunde, with her empowering and personal approach to teaching in her classes. She draws on topics like human rights, racial injustices, and soul care, and shares her own struggles with weight, traumatic family loss, racism, and more. Tunde also has a new book out, now called Speak: Find Your Voice, Trust Your Gut, and Get from Where You Are to Where You Want to Be. We will get to our conversation with Tunde after this quick break. Well, Tunde, thank you for joining us. We're so happy to be speaking with you.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Likewise. Thank you both so much for having me. Excited to be here.

Nora Ali: I've definitely taken your classes before. You were so motivating and inspirational. Before you became a Peloton instructor, you were a celebrity makeup artist, you were a brand educator, a career that you spent over a decade building. So set the scene for us, what was your life like and your career like before you even discovered cycling?

Tunde Oyeneyin: So I grew up in Houston, Texas. My parents immigrated here from Nigeria to live the American Dream, to provide a life better than they had for their children. And so, if you're a child of immigrant parents, you understand that that's instilled in you at a very young age to make the most of this opportunity. So I moved from Houston to LA when I was 20-something years old. I never remember because I had a fake ID so long that I can't remember how old I was, but I think I was maybe 21, moved to LA to become a celebrity makeup artist. My best friend was working on a show at the time, she was a host, and she said, "Come and intern for one of the makeup artists." So on my drive, my commute to LA, I get a call from my best friend that says, "The person that you're supposed to intern for has just been fired." So I was halfway to LA with, I don't know, I think like $300, and I could have turned around or I could have kept driving. My first thought was to possibly turn around and my best friend said, "You're going to find a job. And if you don't, if things don't work out, we will turn you around and we will ship you back." And so I said, "Let me just go try it." So I was a makeup artist and educator for 15 years, as you mentioned, and it was something that I was kind of good at, and "I'm kind of good at" turned into something that I loved and it was my passion. Then I started working for a cosmetic brand and I realized that I could actually make a career out of this, it wasn't just an opportunity to have fun and do makeup at the counter. And so I worked really, really, really, really hard, maybe for some five or six years. I worked my way up and became a trainer and an educator. And it was one of those things where I was doing a job that was creative, allowing me to be creative, also allowing me to provide for myself. I had my dream car, I was living in a fancy apartment in Los Angeles, California. I no longer had to check the price of the menu to go to a restaurant.

Scott Rogowsky: That's a big moment. Yeah.

Tunde Oyeneyin: That's a big moment. And so, all of that to say, I'd worked my butt off to land this dream job. The dream job arrives and then I realize I hate it. I realize that I absolutely hate it. The creativity is gone, stifled. There are aspects of my job that I love. I love being a motivator and I got to train artists, but there was so much minutiae involved in the daily mix that the creativity wasn't there. And for a creative person, that's painful. And so I found myself in this space of being just so uncertain, so uncertain about what I was supposed to do next. In hindsight, I think that the beauty of uncertainty is infinite possibility. When you don't know what's next, it's beautiful. Because when you don't know what's next, anything can be next. You're no longer limiting yourself along the scale or the scope or the frame of what you think you should be doing next. You broaden the horizon, you broaden your mindset and start to receive the things that are being pushed to you and that's kind of how I found my way to fitness.

Scott Rogowsky: You just keep your receptors open and you're waiting for that next moment of divine inspiration, that providence. That first moment was bringing you from Houston to Los Angeles and the next moment came when you took your first indoor cycling class, as you describe in your new book, Speak, which is just so happened to be positioned perfectly behind you there. Very nice. You write in this book that you took this indoor cycling class and that was when you felt the quote, "Blue light moving through my body. I felt it. And I knew it." What do you mean by blue light? I've never heard that stroke of inspiration described in that color.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Look, Scott, neither had I. I didn't know until I knew. I didn't know until it slapped me in my face. Yeah. So I had never taken an indoor cycling experience. I was in New York, actually, on business. So I walked down to a cycling studio, judged myself for spending $40 to work out by the time I bought the water bottle, the towels, the shoes, clipped in all of it. Three minutes into the class, I'm in this state of euphoria. I walked out of the cycling class that day and I noticed that my walk has turned into a skip and my skip has turned into a hop. And within a matter of five seconds, I felt this wave of blue energy move through my body. It moved from my fingertips to my toes. I started laughing and crying in the same moment because it was almost as if somebody had said, "Come here," and showed me what was coming. In that moment, I knew with certainty that I was going to be cycling for the rest of my life, I knew that I'd be teaching it, and I knew that I would be able to affect millions of people through it. I was certain, this was after my very first class. And so, that's when I go back to this idea of uncertainty. I think when doubt enters, doubt does not feel good. It does not feel good to doubt the next step. However, I don't think that doubt is a bad thing. I think that doubt makes way when your body's trying to send you a course correction. And if you take notice, you realize that a shift in direction needs to happen. Whether that's a relationship, a friendship, a job. I was in this space of uncertainty and because I didn't know what I was supposed to do, I was open to receiving this as a premonition of vision, just something that I saw, rather than a hallucination. I could have easily said, "Girl, are you daydreaming? You're dehydrated. You were in a dark room. You've been on a plane today." But instead, I allowed myself to be open to take the message, to answer the call.

Nora Ali: It sounds like the calling for you became clear in that moment but I think for a lot of people who are figuring out what they want their career path to be, they might have an idea of what they think they're supposed to do or what that dream job is. You had a different idea of what your dream job was supposed to be before you had this moment. But you've also talked about on your podcast, Fitness Flipped, which we'll get to more in a minute, you talked with Allyson Felix, who is of course a decorated Olympian, about her winning a gold medal, her getting to the top of her game, but then realizing, wait a second, life hasn't changed. I worked so hard for this thing, I've achieved this thing, but I'm not as happy as I thought I would be. So you found this blue light, you found this pinnacle of what you want to do with your life, but how would you suggest to others who are pursuing those dreams, pursuing those careers, to enjoy the moment and enjoy the journey? Because a lot of us just don't necessarily have that idea of what happiness might look like once we achieve that goal of ours.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Yeah. I think we're always trying to chase something. If there's anything to be chased, it's chasing the ability to enjoy the moment. That slaps you back into present time. I think about jobs, for example, and I'll say even throughout my makeup career, you have this job and you love the job for three months and then you hate it and you're in this space. And then you're like, "Oh, I just got to get out of here." And then you go to a different place and then you do the same cycle. You love the job. Three months later, you hate it. And then it continues to happen. And then at some point you realize, is it the job or is it me? Is it my inability to enjoy the moment, find joy in the task, look for opportunities that challenge me? At some point, you have to step back and say, "This continues to happen so the variable that's not changing here is me." I'm in this space right now where every single thing that I've asked for has arrived like the blue light. It's here, baby, it's happening. The book: It's happening. First ever trainer to be signed as a Nike Athlete: I asked for that. One of the faces of Revlon: I asked for that. Every single thing is happening right now. There are times where I wake up and I feel the anxiety and the pressure of the day because of all of the tasks.

Scott Rogowsky: But you asked for them.

Tunde Oyeneyin: But I asked for it. And then there are the days that I slap myself and say, "Tunde, everything that you asked for is here." And then I find joy in that. And then that pops me back into the present moment. And then I realize all these tasks that are here, these are tasks that I get to have, because the thing that I asked for is here. So yeah, it's all of that to say, if you are simply fixated on the end goal, caution, caution. When you get there, you won't even be able to receive it. You won't even be able to enjoy it. Rather than focus on the end line, focus on the process that it is to get there. If you cannot find joy in that, you will not find joy in the finish line. That's a fact.

Nora Ali: We're going to take a quick break. More with Tunde when we come back. Tunde, I feel like we're having a bit of a therapy session with you, so let's continue on this path. So you've spoken in the past about having imposter syndrome. That's a big topic of conversation now. What would you say to those who are trying to ask for more, ask for the next thing in their careers, but might feel like they don't actually deserve it and are feeling imposter syndrome? And talk to us specifically through your experiences with Nike and Revlon and having asked for those partnerships.

Tunde Oyeneyin: A thought that I live by is that I won't allow fear to steer. I won't allow fear to steer. I mean, gosh, the very fact that I'm here in this space, that I am, it's wild. It's wild. I was an overweight kid. You show up to PE and it's the day that you have to run the mile and I'm thinking of every excuse that I can. I need to go to the nurse's office. Anything that I can to not run this mile. So the fact that I now coach and lead tens of thousands of people every single day, it's wild. All of that to say, you can imagine the imposter syndrome that followed me when I was trying to find my way in this space. I think that anybody who struggled with their weight as a kid knows that that shit doesn't just leave you; it's daily practice. You get so used to speaking language to yourself that when things don't go your way or when things don't happen, you have the same thing that you'd tell yourself every single time. When I was a kid, it was because I was overweight. That was the thing. And so as an adult, that first thought snaps in, and then you have to train yourself to talk yourself out of that. So anyway, so all of that to say that was still following me around. It still follows me around.

Nora Ali: But,Tunde, how do you not only push through that, but then take the next step to ask for a deal with Nike, ask for a deal with Revlon, host your own podcast, build your own brand? How do you get to that point where you have the confidence to ask for those things?

Tunde Oyeneyin: Well, as my teammate, Robin Arzon, says, "Do it even when your voice shakes." Not to quote Nike, but just do it. Just do it. Do it anyways. I think it is challenging to receive things that you do not ask for. If I ask for it, it's a 50/50 chance, right? And so it's daily work. It's daily practice. I know that the voices in my head, I'm the only one that can hear the voices in my head. That is what gives them so much power. Thus, I have to be so mindful of the words that I allow to play on repeat, the voices that are going to enable me to move into action. I wasn't an athlete growing up. What better reason for me to work to build a partnership with the number-one brand in the world for athletes? What message does that then send to young people who are experiencing what little Tunde experienced? And so for me, that was a motivator to move to do it. And I say this bit about Revlon, which would... You could almost feel like, oh, that should make sense. She was in this cosmetic world. I think that for me, having everything happen at the same time, to be able to say that I wear red lipstick while lifting heavy weights and cursing, and then you sit down and you write a book about how you manifested all the things in your life. None of that makes sense together. It sounds like three people living three very different worlds. To be able to do all of it at the same exact time, for me, I hope it shows people that you absolutely can and you absolutely will. The child of immigrant parents who struggled with her weight and her confidence, to be able to live and tell this story, I'm having this thought, it's pretty magical. And this is a realization moment that I'm having right now in real time, it's pretty magical.

Nora Ali: Yeah. Amazing. Yes.

Scott Rogowsky: We're capturing the gratitude. It is quite the story, Tunde, and I want to get some of your story out there, specifically as it relates to this career as a fitness instructor with Peloton. So I, probably like many people, only heard about Peloton at the onset of the pandemic when it became this huge story, at-home gyms. When did you get involved? I assume it was before the pandemic. And can you remember that first ride, that first class you taught? Take us back to the beginning when nobody knew who Tunde was, and then where you are today, clearly we know who you are now. So just walk us through that, please.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Yeah, Scott. Well, I'll say this. When I had this blue light experience, I had absolutely no idea what Peloton was. Let me also just throw that out there. And then I get back to LA, I start working for a mom-and-pop shop. Cody Rigsby, who was one of the directors at the time, he found me on Instagram, asked me to audition. I auditioned, got rave reviews, and then a month later got a call that I did not get the job. Then eight months later, they called me back, asked me to come back, audition, and I got the job. When I started, my classes weren't very popular. I think there's many reasons why it wasn't popular. I think that it's also, to understand, I came into a space that I was a minority in, right? Not necessarily just within the instructor pool, but within the clients that we were servicing. I've had so many people say, I did a Speak Up ride, which was right after the murder of George Floyd and it was really a space to come together in solidarity. I had many people who messaged me, specifically white women, after taking that class who had said, "I'd never taken your class before because we look different. And because we look different, I didn't think that we'd have anything in common." And so I think that that was part of it, so to your point, yeah. I think so much of it was not just, you launch and then Peloton blasts you and puts you on the platform and people try you and take your class, I think it was also word of mouth. One person taking it saying, "You should take this girl's class. You should take this girl's class. You should take this girl's class." So I give so much thanks to the community who continues to scream my name loudly and pump me all over their social media to motivate their friends to take my classes. In a realm, the world that I show up in every single day, I work with people who are literally the best at what they do. And that in itself is so motivating and so inspiring because it draws you to be a better version of yourself. And I think that has attracted people to my classes. After every single class I learn something.

Nora Ali: Yeah. And I'm sure that honesty, that vulnerability helps. You mentioned the Speak Up ride after the murder of George Floyd, and I've talked to many of my peers, BIPOC and other marginalized folks, who have felt sort of this burden placed on them to speak up about racial injustice and be the ones to lead the charge and lead the conversation in workplaces that might not be that diverse to begin with. Did you sort of feel the weight as a Black instructor to shoulder a lot of that conversation and emotion and have to be a leader during the summer of 2020 and beyond? And did you feel like Peloton was supportive in that effort?

Tunde Oyeneyin: Yeah. Peloton was very supportive in that effort. My chief content officer, Jen Cotter, came to me before the ride, asked me if I wanted to do something. I said yes. I didn't know what it was going to be. She most certainly didn't know what it was going to be. And then it was really three days of not sleeping, not eating, and I just sat near my bed with a pen and paper and crafted out what I wanted that moment to feel like for the members, what I wanted to say. Yeah. Is it this weight that you feel is placed on you, not even specific to Peloton, but just as a Black person? Yeah, I do. My thought is if Martin Luther King had allowed his tired to supersede his hope, then he wouldn't have led the march in Selma that day. Yeah, I'm tired, but I'm more hopeful than I am tired. Does that still give me license to rest and not have to lead a charge in every moment? Yeah, absolutely. I'm a human being. I'm a person. And I won't allow my tire to supersede my hope. So I think it's something that kind of wavers back and forth for me personally, but I can only speak to my own personal experience.

Scott Rogowsky: I'm curious about this Team Tunde. This team, because I'll be honest today, I've never done Peloton. I'm a total outsider to this thing.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Yo, we have to... What world are you living in?

Scott Rogowsky: Well, I'm living in Los Angeles and I'm living in a world where I just haven't. Look, I moved here a year ago. I haven't gotten into my routine yet. I'll be honest.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Okay.

Scott Rogowsky: I keep saying, "I'm going to wake up early. I'm going to go to the gym." And I'm not doing any of that and that's my fault. it's on me.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Okay, first step today. Download the app. You don't need the bike, you don't need the treadmill, just the app.

Scott Rogowsky: That's a question I had, actually.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Okay.

Scott Rogowsky: It's like, if someone doesn't have access to Peloton, or if you don't have a bike, I know you can get the app, but how do you connect with people like myself, use me as an example, followers, listeners, readers of this, listeners of this podcast, who might not ride a Peloton? Can you connect with them outside the platform? You found a way clearly to go beyond the platform, right? You've got your own brand going, got your own pages. But is it difficult without having that connection to the Peloton world to find you and to be inspired by you?

Tunde Oyeneyin: Yeah. I mean, my hope is that you don't have to have ever heard of me or even know what Peloton is to pick up this book. Speak is a memoir. It's a story of all the joy, all the heartache, the heartbreak, all the losses. I've experienced so much loss in my life. I lost my little brother when he was 19 years old. Three years after that, I lost my dad. And three years after that, I lost my mom. Within six years I lost half of my immediate family. All the body image stuff, all of the relationship stuff, some of the relationship stuff, and the triumph. Essentially it's a story of resilience, so I think that's the connector. That's the connector.

Scott Rogowsky: We're going to take a quick break with Tunde, but more when we come back.

Nora Ali: Tunde, I wanted to ask you more about your goal to make fitness more accessible for women, because I know you have felt uncomfortable before, many of us have been there. Walking into a gym, it's intimidating, and starting your fitness journey. And that's part of your goal as a Nike global ambassador. And you share a lot of these personal stories with your audiences, so how do you achieve that goal to try to make fitness more accessible for women and those who might be a little bit uncomfortable?

Tunde Oyeneyin: Yeah. When I first started working out, I was a cardio junkie. That's the only thing I did. Yeah. When the gym that was near my house in Texas, you would, when you walked in, the left would be the free weight area and then toward the right would be cardio. And I'd look over at the cardio section and it was mostly women and it looked much less intimidating. People were just pushing a button, jumping on a machine and moving. And so I was like, "Oh, I can do that." And I started doing that. It wasn't until I actually picked up weights that, not only did my body start to move and transform in a different way, my mind started to catch up and move and transform and understand my power, not just physically, but my power, my strength inside, internally. I went from people making fun of me because I was heavy, to then people, men specifically, being wildly intimidated by my muscles. And so it was this thing where, first, I was too this and then I was too that. And then I realized that anyone's opinion of me is none of my business. Anyone's opinion of me, it's none of my business. If I'm focusing on their opinion of me, then I'm being nosy and shame on me for worrying about their thoughts. I am so humbled, thrilled, that women see me on this platform as this strong, muscular body type and feel this sense of freedom or this license that it's okay for women to look powerful. I think of Serena Williams. Serena Williams is the greatest athlete of all time. If everyone were to close their eyes, if you close your eyes and you draw out what a woman's body should look like, I feel like 90% of people would draw a very similar image. And my guess is that that image wouldn't look like Serena Williams. When I see women flexing and showing off their muscles and reposting that, I think to myself, is this part of that calling? Is this part of why I had that blue light moment that day? To be a face of something different? Historically, fitness was predominantly a white man sport. And so to be a Black woman with muscles and no hair in this space, I think that says a lot. I think that that motivates women. Nike taught me that if you have a body, you are an athlete. And so my work with young people is really sharing my story.

Scott Rogowsky: All right, well, I've been bottling something up this whole interview today. It's a quiz. It's time-

Tunde Oyeneyin: No.

Scott Rogowsky: For Quizness Casual, the Business Casual quiz. Yes.

Tunde Oyeneyin: I don't want to. Okay, I'll do it.

Scott Rogowsky: It's three questions. Don't leave us hanging here.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Okay. Don't give me hard ones.

Scott Rogowsky: No. No.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Thanks.

Scott Rogowsky: I think these are about people that you know and companies you've worked for.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Oh. Okay, great. Great. I thought you were going to ask me, who was the emperor of-

Scott Rogowsky: No, come on. This is relevant to you.

Nora Ali: We're guessing together, Tunde. It's a team effort, so I'm with you.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Oh, you're playing with me.

Nora Ali: I am, yes.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Okay, great. Great.

Scott Rogowsky: Nora's your co-contestant here. So here we go. Qumero número uno. Peloton instructor Cody Rigsby, whom you mentioned, hates which of the following candies? Is it candy corn, Bounty, Tootsie Rolls, or licorice?

Nora Ali: These are all gross candies.

Tunde Oyeneyin: I hate candy corn and licorice.

Nora Ali: Yeah

Scott Rogowsky: Me too.

Tunde Oyeneyin: I think he likes licorice. I think we've had this conversation. I'm going to guess candy corn.

Nora Ali: Okay. We're locking it in. Candy corn.

Scott Rogowsky: Well, he might hate all of them, but I think he really hates licorice.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Damn it.

Scott Rogowsky: We know this for a fact.

Tunde Oyeneyin: I hate licorice, I could've sworn we didn't agree on this.

Scott Rogowsky: He calls anyone who likes it a monster.

Nora Ali: Yeah. I agree.

Scott Rogowsky: He also hates Justin Timberlake, orange marmalade, and people who go to dinner and refuse to split the bill evenly. He's got a lot of hate.

Tunde Oyeneyin:I know about the bill evenly thing, which also, let me also say, I know he always talks about that. Cody is also a very generous person and always picks up the check when I have dinner with him.

Nora Ali: Oh, Cody.

Tunde Oyeneyin: So let me just throw that out there about my good friend. He's such a gentleman.

Nora Ali: Good.

Scott Rogowsky: Well, you can talk about your hatred for licorice next time you're at dinner there, have some conversation.

Tunde Oyeneyin: I want to put some in his locker tomorrow.

Scott Rogowsky: Yeah. Okay. Here we go. This is a good one. Which of the following artists appears more than once on Peloton's Top 50 Songs of 2021? Prince, Olivia Rodrigo, Spice Girls, or Tiesto?

Nora Ali: I mean, it's got to be Olivia, don't you think, Tunde?

Scott Rogowsky: What do you jam to?

Tunde Oyeneyin: That, "good 4 u" or whatever is popular for Olivia Rodrigo. However, Tiesto, I know, "Let's Get Down to Business" is on there for Tiesto, I know that. Who else was in there?

Scott Rogowsky: Spice Girls or Prince.

Nora Ali: I mean, classics.

Tunde Oyeneyin: I mean, I'm going to go Tiesto because there's so many remixes.

Nora Ali: Okay. We're locking it in. Tiesto. She's confident.

Scott Rogowsky: This is the Official Top 50 Songs that Peloton published. It actually happens to be Spice Girls.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Shit. "Wannabe" and what?

Scott Rogowsky: "Wannabe" and "Spice Up Your Life."

Nora Ali: Yeah. I've definitely-

Tunde Oyeneyin: That was my second choice. Okay.

Scott Rogowsky: But "The Business" by Tiesto was the number one on the list.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Okay.

Scott Rogowsky: Except just one for Tiesto. One for... Maybe-

Tunde Oyeneyin: That's why I thought it had a chance because I was like, "Well, it was number one so if it was number one, it probably had something else in there."

Scott Rogowsky: Maybe there was remixes, I don't know. There could be some caveat there, there could be some remix that I'm not aware of, or even [crosstalk].

Tunde Oyeneyin: I think I'm going to check that. Mm-hmm. Yep.

Scott Rogowsky: But all right, well, how about this last one here? Let's try, let's go out with a bang. Which of the following celebrities is not a regular Peloton rider? And this could be a process of elimination by perhaps the people that have taken your class. Okay. Is it A, Emily Ratajkowski, B, Ellen DeGeneres, C, Kate Hudson, or D, Venus Williams?

Tunde Oyeneyin: Venus is a regular.

Scott Rogowsky: There you go.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Ellen is a regular.

Scott Rogowsky: Done. Kate Hudson or Emily Ratajkowski?

Tunde Oyeneyin: Kate Hudson posts herself working out a lot.

Nora Ali: Yeah.

Tunde Oyeneyin: And I've never seen her on a Peloton. She works out a lot so of course she has a Peloton.

Nora Ali: Of course.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Why don't you blink your eyebrows a little bit or your lashes or something and give me a sign?

Scott Rogowsky: So that leaves Emily Ratajkowski.

Nora Ali: Are you winking at us or is it Emily?

Tunde Oyeneyin: Emily, or I'm going to say... Kate has to have a Peloton but she doesn't talk about it, maybe.

Scott Rogowsky: She has to. Trust your instincts.

Nora Ali: Okay.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Okay. So the person that doesn't is Emily.

Nora Ali: It's Emily.

Scott Rogowsky: Emily Ratajkowski. Yeah.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Yay.

Nora Ali: Yeah.

Scott Rogowsky: Who does not work out regularly, somehow.

Tunde Oyeneyin: One out of three, not bad. You have a fourth for just, so we can split this even?

Scott Rogowsky: Scott Rogowsky. How do you spell Ratajkowski? That's the last question.

Nora Ali: No, thank you.

Tunde Oyeneyin: You know what? Let's just land up. Let's just land up. I'll take one out of three. One out of three is better than one out of four.

Scott Rogowsky: Yeah, one out of three. We're going up here.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Yep.

Scott Rogowsky: No blurred lines. You're a clear winner in my book.

Nora Ali: Yay.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Thanks, guys.

Scott Rogowsky: Congrats, Tunde. Thank you. And thanks for the conversation. Good luck with the book. That's awesome.

Nora Ali: Thank you, Tunde. So fun.

Tunde Oyeneyin: Thank y'all so much. Thank you so much. This was awesome.

Scott Rogowsky: If there's one thing Nora and I love, it's hearing from you, so you got to speak to us. So if you want us to hear from you, we need you to speak to us. And how do you do that? It's simple, folks. You send an email. You just type in You say hi Nora, hi Scott. Love the pod. Got some thoughts. Here's a guest I want to hear about. Here's a, maybe a topic I want you to explore. Say, Nora, I love your [inaudible]. Scott, you have a recipe for Kugel? Whatever you got. Between the [inaudible] and the Kugel, we've got you covered here. Let us know. DM us on Twitter, even. You go to Twitter, DM us @bizcasualpod. That's B-I-Z casual pod. It's that easy, folks.

Nora Ali: That's exactly right. And you know what? You can also leave us a voice memo if you so choose on our website Or give us a ring and leave us an old-fashioned voicemail. Our number is (862) 295-1135. As Business Casual grows, we are so excited to get to know our listeners, old and new. Drop us a line and don't forget to leave your name and where you're calling or writing from so we can hear from you in a future episode.

Scott Rogowsky: Business Casual is instructed by Katherine Milsop and Bella Hutchins. Additional production, sound design, and mixing by Daniel Markus. Sarah Singer is our VP of multimedia. Holly Van Leuven is our fact checker. Music in this episode from Daniel Markus and The Mysterious Breakmaster Cylinder. If you like what you heard, please follow Business Casual on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get nasty with your casty. We'd love it if you gave us a great rating and a review.

Nora Ali: Thank you for listening to Business Casual, I'm Nora Ali.

Scott Rogowsky: And I'm Scott Rogowsky.

Nora Ali: Keep it business.

Scott Rogowsky: And keep it casual.