Dec. 30, 2021

2021: Inflation, Vaccinations & the Great Resignation

Plus: Introducing the BC Quiz!

Morning Brew managing editor Neal Freyman stops by to chat with Nora and Scott about the stories that dominated the newsletter in 2021. Check them out here:


Scott Rogowsky: Nora.

Nora Ali: Yes.

Scott Rogowsky: Before we start today's show, we need to talk about the voicemail.

Nora Ali: The voicemail. We've all been talking about it. Let's talk about it.

Scott Rogowsky: Everyone's talking about it. We received it from a young man in Ohio. O-H.

Nora Ali: I-O.

Scott Rogowsky:  Ohio. His name is Ryan and he called in... He left a message on the voice, which you can do too, by the way.

Nora Ali: Yeah.

Scott Rogowsky: We have a voicemail. You can go to the and leave a VM right there, you can call us up. That number again, Nora?

Nora Ali: 862-295-1135.

Scott Rogowsky: You say it every episode.

Nora Ali: I do.

Scott Rogowsky: You got that down. So, you can leave a message like Ryan did. And Ryan called up and told us that he basically loves us to death.

Nora Ali: Yeah.

Scott Rogowsky: He will go follow us to the abyss. He is just on board with 100% of the things we say and do here. He could not be a bigger fan. He thinks we're perfect. We could not do any better than we're doing. He wants us to keep going, shining forward into the new year, riding off to the sunset together. All three of us on the same horse, Ryan we're into it.

Nora Ali: He did sign off saying, very sweetly, "See you later. Probably not." So, maybe we can give him a treat and meet him one day. I don't know. Ryan, if you're listening, maybe we will see you later.

Scott Rogowsky: Maybe it'll be our first in-person podcast recording. We'll go live from Ohio. We can get Jobs Ohio to sponsor that trip. I'm sure.

Nora Ali: Thanks, Ryan. Okay.

Scott Rogowsky: At the end of the year, this is it, Nora. It's the end of the year. We're talking about our favorite stories of 2021.

Nora Ali: We sure are.

Scott Rogowsky: Right?

Nora Ali: And it's not just us, thankfully. We're talking to one of our Morning Brew colleagues. This was so fun. We got to talk to managing editor Neal Freyman. He told us about the stories that dominated the newsletter in 2021. Scott, you brought up an interesting story in our conversation with Neal that I totally forgot about, which was when Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, all went down all together. Do you have any other stories that stick out in your mind that you will never forget from the last year?

Scott Rogowsky: Yeah. It was a long time ago now. It was the beginning of the year. But how about that Robinhood day? How we all forgot about Robinhood screwing everyone up in the markets, the shutdown, the GameStop, the stonks, right? That was this year. That was January or February. When was that?

Nora Ali: Wow. What is time anymore? I can't make out between 2020. I can't tell the difference between things that happened in 2020 and 2021, to be honest. A few good things happened this year. It is a lot of doom and gloom, but we all made some return to fun things, restaurants, movie theaters. It was a big year for Marvel, of which I'm a very big fan. I went to see Shang-Chi in the theater, I went to see The Eternals. Biggest news item in my life was that Harry Styles is in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is just mindblowing for so many people.

Scott Rogowsky: How was that Eternals, by the way? I heard it stunk.

Nora Ali: What? Don't say that.

Scott Rogowsky: No?

Nora Ali: No.

Scott Rogowsky: It was good?

Nora Ali: I enjoyed it. Yes. It was different. It's very different. Well, we did find some peace with Neal Freyman because the conversation was so lovely. So, let's get to it. Neal Freyman, again, is the managing editor of Morning Brew. He stopped by to chat about the Brew's top stories of 2021, which we'll link to in the show notes. Take a listen. For Morning Brew, this is Business Casual, the podcast that gives you a front row seat to candid conversations with some of the biggest names in business, asking them the questions you wish you could ask. I'm your host, Nora Ali.

Scott Rogowsky: And I'm your other host, Scott Rogowsky. Nora and I are here for your ears, bringing you stories of how business shapes our lives today and into the future. Now, let's get down to business.

Nora Ali: Okay, Neal Freyman. You are the managing editor of Morning Brew. Welcome to the podcast. We're going to get to the biggest topics of 2021. I personally can't wait. But first, we want to get an understanding of what has to happen for the newsletter, the Morning Brew newsletter to go out. You're shaking your head. It's probably a lot, but how does the newsletter come together and why is it so good?

Scott Rogowsky: Is this under an NDA? Maybe he can't speak to this, Nora. 

Neal Freyman: I don't know if people think it's glamorous. It's certainly not glamorous. Myself and my fellow writers just read as much news as there is on the internet in any given day. And we have this very thriving Slack channel. I think I have the most Slacks of anyone at the company. And I wear that as a badge of honor, just because I'm literally dumping news links all day, every day. Come the afternoon when the world has happened, is when we decide to choose the stories that go into the newsletter the next day. And sometimes it's super obvious. Today, the Fed made a huge announcement about interest rates and inflation. And so, when I woke up this morning, I knew that that was going to be the top story. Other days it's just like, "Okay. What the hell are we going to write about?" Honestly, what's great about it is that every day is different. And so, every single day it's like solving a little puzzle and come 6:30, 7:00PM, the newsletter has been put together. My writers write it and I edit it. We send it to a copy editor, we read it until our eyes bleed in email to make sure everything looks okay. And then, at 6:30 is when you pop open the wine. And then, Elon Musk tweets something at 10:30 PM and you have to go back.

Nora Ali: It's all changes.

Scott Rogowsky:  The sources for the newsletter: Are you pulling from the usual suspects? You're going to Your Your Alta Vista? Where are you, are you going to FARK? Digg? 

Neal Freyman: I'm asking Jeeves, "What should I write in the newsletter?" No, mostly I go to the main news websites because they have an army of reporters sifting through all of the news and creating news. And honestly, I wouldn't be able to do my job without the journalists out there in the field doing really awesome work. My team is merely just aggregators. We try to put a fun spin on whatever's happening. But no, it's the Bloombergs, Axios, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Financial Times, what have you. We have subscriptions to them all. That's one of the best perks about the job. And oftentimes, I... I mean, I'm on Twitter all day and I think that helps me curate it and see what is driving conversation because something could be plastered on the Wall Street Journal as their lead story. But then, I go on Twitter and there's no peep about it, then it's not really...

Nora Ali: It's not real.

Neal Freyman: Either it's not real or people don't care. And sometimes there are stories, very deeper in news outlets that are really affecting people. So, social media helps you understand what is really important and affecting people. And I just honestly cross reference everything that I read and then the stuff that really rises to the top is what we write about.

Nora Ali: So, you have a great view of what people care about, what's trending, the important topics. So, in the year 2021, what would you say are the top three themes that kept coming up over and over again? The biggest stories.

Neal Freyman: So, I actually don't have to guess about this because we asked our readers, in a poll, what was the top business story of the year. And what they came back with, I think, was inflation, number one. Number two was the Great Resignation, which is supposed to mean everyone quitting their jobs. And the third one was COVID and the vaccine rollout.

Scott Rogowsky: Well, what's interesting about the news about Morning Brew's approach now, is they've been launching new newsletters in different verticals, right? I mean, it started with just the one Morning Brew newsletter, and now there are five or six different newsletters? More?

Neal Freyman: I think more than that. Yeah.

Scott Rogowsky: More than that. So, as the newsletter expands vertically, do you find yourself having to narrow a little bit in your scope? Has that changed the way you run the main newsletter at all?

Neal Freyman: I don't think so, from a news topic standpoint the company has done a good job of being very purposeful with what we're launching and having not a ton of overlap. So, let's just take Marketing Brew as an example, which focuses on marketing. It's really a publication that's devoted to professional marketers. And so, maybe there will be a marketing story that we may touch on and that they may touch on such as Peloton recently. And we'll take a mass audience take like, "Here's the big picture." And they'll probably provide more actionable advice to people working in the profession about what this means to your job day to day.

Nora Ali: But, Neal, I do want to go back to the top three themes for a second. You said inflation, the Great Resignation and COVID and vaccines.

Neal Freyman: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Nora Ali: So, I imagine you're reading messages from readers and paying attention to the conversations among those who are subscribing to the newsletter. What were people generally saying about the great resignation? Is there a sense that it's going to last for a while? Is this a big pivot point for young people who are pursuing different kinds of careers? What would you say are some of the takeaways from the reader conversations?

Neal Freyman: What's interesting about those three topics is they weren't Wall Street drama, or Elon Musk said this, Tesla's crazy. They were all stories that really impacted people in very personal ways. So, when people read about the great resignation, they're like, "Oh, should I quit my job? I'm seeing everyone else doing it. There's a record number of job openings, companies are raising wages and I'm just sitting here not getting paid great. And I don't love my job. So, maybe I should be really paying attention to this trend." And the same with inflation, they're going to the grocery store every day. They're going to fill up their cars and they're seeing prices rise. And I think they're very curious about what's driving that, how long that will last, what are people going to do about it? And same with COVID and vaccines. I mean, that's the most important thing that probably people cared out for themselves and wanting to go back to sporting events and hang out with friends. So, I think that was a really common theme that touched a lot of people among those three topics, which is, how is this affecting me? And I think that's something that we've realized over the course of my time at Morning Brew. People really want to know news topics where they're directly affected.

Nora Ali: Makes sense.

Scott Rogowsky: Well, let's take a quick break, Neal. And when come back, we'll hear more about the top stories from 2021. Neal, you mentioned the top three stories in the newsletter, the themes that kept coming up, inflation, the Great Resignation COVID and vaccines. Was number four crypto?

Neal Freyman: I can check the data, but I assume it was like four or five.

Scott Rogowsky: Four or five? Yeah. I'm surprised that crypto didn't make the top three. NFT's didn't make the top three because when we get into the top six stories from 2021, let's start off with this article from February by Jamie Wilde. "NFT: frequently asked questions." And in it, one of your reporters, Jamie, answered five big basic questions about non-fungible tokens, which I mean, I don't think I've heard three letters said in succession more frequently this year than NFT. So, maybe you can answer some questions that we have. How about the basics for those who are just tuning in, what is an NFT?

Neal Freyman: Oh, God.

Scott Rogowsky: Oh, God.

Neal Freyman: It's still something that, I think, myself and a bunch of other people are trying to wrap their head around, obviously. From my understanding, it is a piece of digital media on the internet that you can own as an individual and no one else can own it. And all of this is able to be done by blockchain technology. And the fact that it's recorded on this ledger and that you are the sole owner of this piece of media. Yeah. That's kind of my understanding of NFTs. I don't understand why people buy them or what value they have in them. Seems to me like a lot of people get in it when they see the prices go up and they want to flip it. I know there are a lot of people on the internet or crypto evangelists that see a lot of other uses for NFT's, whether it's establishing communities or allowing artists to get paid in new ways based on blockchain technology. But honestly, all of you, it's not something I had heard about earlier this year. And in the past seven months, I can't say I've fully wrapped my head around why it is and why it matters, aside from being a vehicle for speculation.

Nora Ali: There it is, a vehicle for speculation. There it is.

Neal Freyman: I'm going to get so canceled after this, from the crypto people.

Scott Rogowsky: Yeah, you are. This is the editor of the newsletter saying all this slandering NFTs. Nora, do you have a different stance on NFTs?

Nora Ali: Well, I mean it's all these new kinds of assets, by nature, are a vehicle for speculation. You're betting on the value of something going up. So, he is not wrong. I think that's an objective fact, personally. But, Neal, you and I can get canceled together. It's all good. Let's move on to another top story from 2021, it's called "Inside Growing Calls to Boycott the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics." And that was by Alex Hickey. So, that was a big story last March, the Beijing Winter Olympics are scheduled to begin on February 4th. Can you give us the elevator pitch on what the controversy is? What's feeling the controversy around the games.

Neal Freyman: Sure. So, what's interesting is that there's two Olympics, I think, being held within seven months because of the COVID delay. And what's happening is people are angry about China hosting the preeminent international sporting event because of what's been going on with their government. They have been stifling free speech for decades, and now there are reports and credible allegations that they're committing mass genocide, I think, is what the State Department has called it, in that Western province against Muslim minorities. And the fact is a lot of people, Human Rights Watch, are saying that we should not be party to, or endorse, what the Chinese government is doing. And that if we sent a delegation to the Olympics, then we would be doing just that. So, recently the US established a diplomatic boycott where they said they wouldn't send officials to China for the games. But they said like, "Athletes, you've been training your whole life for this. We'll let you go and do your thing." And I think a number of other Western governments have followed their lead in doing that. So, they haven't done a full boycott of the games like they did in 1980 in the Soviet Union, but they're doing a stop one. And I think critics are saying that it kind of has no teeth.

Scott Rogowsky: Yeah. It seems a like the US has been boycotting games. That should be an Olympic event in of itself, right? You get the gold medal in boycotting. I mean, who's going to... I don't know. I feel like China is now in a position where they have bought up so much of the world. They have so much influence-

Neal Freyman: This is a terrible situation going on, but it's super interesting to see the relationship with major sports leagues and companies that rely on China as a huge market. Obviously, Daryl Morey, who was the GM of the Rockets at the time, made waves when he tweeted a pro-democracy tweet for Hong Kong last year, and that got a huge kerfuffle with China and the NBA and the NBA had to backtrack. And so, most sports leagues have followed that tack of being like, "Well, China's too important to really piss them off."

Scott Rogowsky: John Cena pissed them off or-

Nora Ali: Right.

Neal Freyman: Oh, I remember that. Well, the most interesting is recently there is one sports organization that took a different tack, which was the Women's Tennis Organization following the disappearance of, I'm going to not pronounce her name right, but Peng Shuai, recently. And that dude who was in charge of the Women's Tennis Organization was like, "We're out of here. We're not satisfied." So, they pulled all their tournaments from China. And that just was such a different take from nearly every other sports or organization. And he kind of gave hope to the people who were hoping US organizations would take a little more of a harder stance that at least one is doing that.

Nora Ali: On a slightly lighter note, let's talk about companies going public. One of the other top articles was, "Traditional IPO versus SPAC: Everything you need to know about taking in your company public." That's by Matty Merritt, who by the way, has a very cool name, Matty Merritt. So, SPAC's. Obviously, special purpose acquisition companies. They were in the news, again, recently. BuzzFeed decided to go public via SPAC, but in 2020, 2021, we saw SPACs left and right. So, in a nutshell, what are the main differences between IPO's, SPAC's and direct listings as ways to go public?

Neal Freyman: Sure. So, another thing that I hadn't heard about until earlier this year, last year, when SPACs became a thing. They have been around for a number of decades, but I think have gained popularity recently, as companies are saying, through the regular IPO process, "Screw this. It's a lot of paperwork, takes a lot of time. You have to have a lot of scrutiny by regulators and investors." And so what a SPAC is, a SPAC is not the company going public, interestingly. It's the company that is a holding company that's formed as a shell company to basically seek out targets of companies they want to acquire. And so, this holding company has already gone public, raise money, and basically they find other companies that want to go public and by acquiring them, take them public in the process. And there are a number of industries that have really utilized SPACs. And I'm thinking specifically of the electric vehicle industry companies, like Lucid and Rivian are two major EV companies that, let's just say SPAC'd, into the public markets recently, to use that verb. A lot of regulators are now looking at SPACs as... They're saying, "Maybe we should have a little more oversight." And there's a lot of sketchy things about the financing of SPACs, especially when it comes to Trump's digital media company. So, you're starting to see the pivot table go back to a little more scrutiny on SPACs from the Wild West days early in 2021.

Scott Rogowsky: Yeah. And it seems like the momentum is definitely slowing for SPACs, more and more have been falling apart in the fourth quarter. We'll see what 2022 brings in that regard. We're also going to take a look at some of the other stories that popped in 2021 on the other side of another quick break. Oh, here's a feel good story, Neal. About five friends who met on the Brown University football team and decided to invest in a race horse named Hot Rod Charlie, this is a story published in April about Hot Rod Charlie and his five best human friends with their big Kentucky Derby dreams. What happened with this horse, there, in the Derby?

Neal Freyman: Oh, didn't win.

Nora Ali: Oh.

Neal Freyman: It didn't win, but it was a fun story, I think, that hit... A lot of our readers are younger. And so, when they see... Basically what happened here was five friends who met at Brown University decided to pull together and buy a race horse. And it turned out to be a really fast horse and it eventually worked its way up to compete in the Kentucky Derby. So, we were just looking for a fun way to talk about the Kentucky Derby. And we were like, "Hey, college kids. This might be relevant to our readership." I don't know if anyone got any ideas to go buy a horse of their own from this. I would say it's not necessarily accessible to the broader public to just buy a horse. I think one of the guys from Brown, his dad was in the industry and maybe provided some capital because I don't think they're extremely cheap to buy thoroughbreds.

Nora Ali: Doesn't sound like-

Scott Rogowsky: $100,000 for Hot Rod Charlie, that was the cost.

Neal Freyman: Yeah. I can't afford that. But that was just a fun, feel good story. And we like to publish interesting stories ahead of big sporting events. Our audience is definitely into sports. So, any way in to talk about the Derby, World Series, Super Bowl is something we like to bounce on.

Nora Ali: The audience is also probably interested in getting jobs and doing it efficiently. One other piece by Matty Merritt is called, "How to write a cover letter and not hate the process." I do not enjoy writing cover letters, but I've written many in my life. So, she writes that her cover letter started as a full page, choose your own adventure, before she optimized it and landed a job at Morning Brew. What is some of Matty's best advice from this piece?

Neal Freyman: I think what I like most about Matty's cover letter, and I told her to write this because I been looking at cover letters for the last four and a half years of people applying to write for Morning Brew and 90% of them, I just throw away because they're super boiler plate. They don't mention anything about Morning Brew. And what I liked about Matty's was, first of all, it was really funny and 50% of writing for Morning Brew is, you have to be funny. So, instead of saying you're funny in this cover letter, she actually showed it and made jokes that made me laugh out loud. And so, another thing was, she just wrote it like a regular person. It didn't seem like it went through the classic cover letter template where it was like, "At this job, my curiosity and my experience have helped me assume leadership positions." When I see that in a cover letter, I typically-

Nora Ali: Just move on. 

Neal Freyman: Move on.

Nora Ali: Yeah.

Neal Freyman: Yeah. And she just wrote in super plain English. For a cover letter, I suggest people just go like, "I love Morning Brew. I really want to write for you guys. I'm really funny..." But don't say, "I'm really funny." Just make me laugh. And then-

Nora Ali: That's what Scott says every day when he shows it out to the podcast, "I am very funny. I'm Scott Rogowsky." I am very funny.

Neal Freyman: I'm super funny.

Scott Rogowsky: I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And gosh darn, I'm very funny.

Neal Freyman: Yeah.

Nora Ali: Affirmations.

Neal Freyman: It's actually similar... One of our other popular pieces from last year and we copied this model with Matty was Toby, who was formerly a writer from Morning Brew and now runs the Morning Brew Twitter, sent a cold email to me and Austin, who's the CEO of Morning Brew. And that was a great cold email. And he actually wrote an entire Morning Brew newsletter as a mock, just to show what he could do.

Nora Ali: Oh, my gosh.

Neal Freyman: And so, he wrote a piece called, "How to nail your cold email and how to get your dream job from a cold email" last year. And so, everyone who just gets a job at Morning Brew basically has to write an entire article about how they got it.

Scott Rogowsky: How they got the job. It's your first assignment. How do you feel about emojis on the cover letter?

Nora Ali: Good question.

Neal Freyman: Well, I think we have a particular software that does screening for applicants. And so, I log onto that and read cover letters. And I think it's very limited in terms of the styling you can do. So, you'd have to attach it as a Google doc or a doc for me to read. But I'm down, if they're well deployed. For sure, we sometimes use emojis in the newsletter. And if you can nail a perfectly placed cartwheel or a flex or a rocket ship, right? In your cover letter, then that's definitely an asset.

Scott Rogowsky: How about... Last but not least, Neal, around Halloween, you published Morning Brew's work horror stories. Submitted by Brew readers themselves. These were broken down at the different categories. Awkward, but funny. Truly frightening. What are some of your favorite recollections of readers submitted horror stories from the workplace?

Neal Freyman: This is actually a project that we start at the beginning of the pandemic when everyone was working from home and no one knew how to use Zoom or mute or anything like that. So, we've kept this up over the past... Every six months we would just ask readers, what are your worst horror stories? And some of my favorite ones are like, somebody was hitting a bong during their big meeting or they cursed out their boss and wasn't on mute. We had a lot of people that their kids were doing really embarrassing things like, "Come wipe my butt, mom." And someone's on this very important client call. So, I would say maybe earlier in the pandemic, these were truly shocking. And later we're just like, "We're going to see into people's embarrassing home lives and we'll just move on with our day." Around Halloween, we interviewed a broker who specializes in selling haunted houses.

Scott Rogowsky: Right.

Nora Ali: Do people seek that out?

Neal Freyman: Well, some people do seek it out. There's a big legal battle around whether you have to disclose it or not. In your Zillow listing, do you have to say like, "By the way, someone got beheaded in this house and they make their rounds every night and let out a moan every night at midnight." So, it's super interesting. I think it's called... I'm trying to think what it's called. They don't say haunted houses, but there's a particular term in the industry that speaks to a haunted house.

Scott Rogowsky: Get a ghost-free home. That's some good advice. With interest rates as low as they are, you can afford a ghost free home.

Neal Freyman: Yeah.

Scott Rogowsky: Neal Freyman, editor of the newsletter. This is exciting, because you're so near and dear to us in the Morning Brew family, we're going to try something new with you this week, okay? We're going to spring this on you. It's new for us. We're going to see how it goes. But it's the end of the year, we're celebrating. Why not feeling good about it? Introducing the Business Casual quiz, the Biz Quiz.

Neal Freyman: Today's contestants: Nora, you're part of this too, better believe it. You're going head-to-head with Neal Freyman over here. It's Nora versus Neal.

Nora Ali: NVN.

Neal Freyman: NVN. You guys are both buried in news, drowning in it. Let's see if you can keep your head above water while answering these questions, okay? Qumero Numero Uno: Who is Time's Person of the Year for 2021? Jeff Bezos, Elizabeth Holmes, Gritty, or Elon Musk? This was recently announced. 

Neal Freyman: Let's just assume we both know this one.

Nora Ali: We do know this one.

Neal Freyman: On the count of three you can both say it, ready? 1, 2, 3. 

Neal Freyman: Gritty.

Nora Ali: Elon Musk.

Scott Rogowsky: Gritty? And Elon Musk.

Neal Freyman: No, it's Elon Musk.

Nora Ali: You scared me for a second, Neal. You scared me when we weren't saying the same thing. I was like, "Wait a second." 

Scott Rogowsky: All right. Question two: A new study found that microbes in oceans and soils across the globe are evolving to eat what? A, food waste. B, wood. C, plastic. Or D, whales. One-

Neal Freyman: Okay.

Scott Rogowsky: Two, three.

Neal Freyman: Plastic.

Nora Ali: C. Yeah.

Scott Rogowsky: Plastic. Oh, Nora went with the letter.

Nora Ali: C is plastic.

Scott Rogowsky: Yes. Plastic is the answer. Thankfully, someone figured out the solve here. The solution. It's the microbes. Just let the microbes eat all that plastic. All right. So, you guys are two for two. You guys both got it. This could be the rubber question. The tiebreaker, here it is. Fill in the blank for question three. A company called blank experienced a recent blank. Two blanks. Is it a company called Kronos experiencing a recent ransomware attack, a company called Starbucks experiencing a recent coffee bean shortage, a company called Mall Santas Unlimited experiencing a recent Santa labor shortage or a company called Oracle experiencing a recent spyware attack. Hit it with me. 1, 2, 3.

Nora Ali: A.

Neal Freyman: Oh, Kronos cyber attack? I honestly was going to go... I know there's a Santa shortage. I don't know if the that's the company.

Nora Ali: See? That was my immediate thought, too. But I don't know if there's a specific company or it's just a general Santa shortage.

Scott Rogowsky: Wow.

Neal Freyman: We're about to find out.

Scott Rogowsky: In the tie breaking question. We have two different answers-

Neal Freyman: You're probably right.

Scott Rogowsky: Neal's going Mall Santas Unlimited, which is not a real company. It is Kronos and the ransomware attack.

Nora Ali: Yay.

Scott Rogowsky: Nora beating Neal.

Neal Freyman: Congrats.

Nora Ali: Barely, though.

Scott Rogowsky: Barely but-

Nora Ali: Fairly.

Scott Rogowsky: Barely is all that matters in this game. Ransomware. Wow. Do we know what ransomware is?

Nora Ali: We've all probably gotten attacked via ransomware.

Scott Rogowsky: It could disrupt how companies pay, manage their employees for weeks. This is big, Neal. This should be front page in the newsletter. You're fired.

Neal Freyman: We actually wrote another... There's another hack going that we wrote about this morning. So, I just can't keep... There's too many going on.

Scott Rogowsky: How about that day when Facebook went down and Instagram went down, that was maybe the greatest day of 2021. Can we all agree on that one?

Nora Ali: Oh, yeah.

Neal Freyman: I forgot about that. 

Nora Ali: I forgot about that.

Scott Rogowsky: Well, Neal Freyman, thanks for playing. Nora, congratulations. The inaugural winner of the first quiz. End of the year, wrap up. Sorry Neal, you can do better next year. We'll bring you back for a rematch. Neal Freyman, editor of the Morning Brew newsletter, thank you so much for joining us.

Nora Ali: Thanks, Neal.

Neal Freyman: Thanks. It was a lot of fun.

Scott Rogowsky: And now, BC listeners, we want to hear from you because we always love hearing from you. We have a new year upon us. We want to cover new stories. We want your perspective. We want to bring you further into the fold year, into the fam. So, why don't you write us? Huh? Let us know what you want to hear about. We'll cover it. Send us an email at or DM us on Twitter @bizcasualpod, that's b-i-z casual pod, with your thoughts.  

Nora Ali: You can also leave a voice memo on our website like Ryan, or give us a ring and leave us an old fashioned voicemail. Our number is 862-295-1135. That's 862 295 1135. As Business Casual grows, we are excited to get to know our listeners, old and new. Drop us a line and don't forget to leave your name and where you're calling or writing from so we can hear from you in a future episode.

Scott Rogowsky:

Business Casual is produced by Katherine Milsop and Bella Hutchins. Additional production, sound design, and mixing by Daniel Markus. Alan Haburchak is the director of audio of Morning Brew. Sarah Singer is our VP of multimedia and Jessica Coen is our chief content officer.Music in this episode from Daniel Markus and the Mysterious Breakmaster Cylinder. If you like what you heard, please follow Business Casual on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you go for ear candy. And we'd love it if you would give us a great rating and a review.

Nora Ali: Thanks for listening to Business Casual. I'm Nora Ali.

Scott Rogowsky: And I'm Scott Rogowsky. 

Nora Ali: Keep it business.

Scott Rogowsky: And for the last time in 2021, keep it casual.